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1. GodelNumbering · 1785950655 · focus · HN ↗

   So, in last several months, all the prominent names Google lost: Demis Hassabis (technically still with google but these things are usually presented with a spin), Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, Noam Shazeer, John Jumper, Jonas Adler, Alexander Pritzel, David Silver, Denny Zhou, Fernando Pereira, Alex Turner

   And all the prominent names Google gained: NULL

   Combined with no gemini frontier GA release in about 14 months. You have to have created an environment pretty hostile to innovation for this to happen

   1. frollogaston · 1785953588 · focus · HN ↗

      Part of me thinks Google's entire problem is crappy internal tooling, not really an anti-innovation environment. Just making a dev take 2x as long to get something done has a bigger effect than you'd think. With LLMs it's more like 10x now because even Gemini doesn't understand Google-internal tooling.

      1. fooker · 1785963194 · focus · HN ↗

         Google has close to the best internal tooling in the industry for a decade or so.

         Then the Google engineers who joined Facebook missed it so much that they built a better replacement.

         1. frollogaston · 1785964712 · focus · HN ↗

            Replacement for what? Google has some good internal tools, mostly the older ones. They're lucky to be using React instead of Angular at Facebook though.
         2. mikert89 · 1785971184 · focus · HN ↗

            google had the best tooling a decade ago...
         3. swrrt · 1785981765 · focus · HN ↗

            Sounds like a big-company issue, large scale lead to large burden and complexity.

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